Did Ibn Taymiyah claimed Allah's Istiwa is like my istiwa

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The claim that Ibn Taymiyah said Allah's Istiwa is like my istiwa (Naudhubillah)
 
I saw some people quoting the following statement
التقي الحصني عن أبي الحسن علي الدمشقي عن أبيه.
قال: (كنا جلوساً في صحن الجامع الأموي في مجلس ابن تيمية فذكّر ووعظ، وتعرض لآيات الاستواء، ثم قال: (واستوى الله على عرشه كاستوائي هذا) قال: فوثب الناس عليه وثبة واحدة، وأنزلوه عن الكرسي، وبادروا إليه ضرباً باللكم والنعال وغير ذلك
That Taqi al Hisni from Abul Hasan Ali ad-Damishqi from his father that He was with Ibn Taymiyah in Jam`e al amwi and Ibn Taymiyah said Allah's Istawa is like my Istiwa.
 
In response we say this is a lie because Abul Hasan Ali ad-Damishqi and his father were sufis
 
Ibn Hajar al asqalani said he was against Ibn Taymiyah 
عَليّ بن اسمح اليعقوبي الشَّافِعِي عَلَاء الدّين الْمَعْرُوف عَليّ منلا نَشأ بِبِلَاد التتار ثمَّ قدم الرّوم ثمَّ تزهد وَدخل دمشق سنة بضع وَثَمَانِينَ وسِتمِائَة فقطنها وَكَانَ يلف رَأسه بمئزر صَغِير كثير الصيانة والقناعة شَدِيد الْحَط على ابْن تَيْمِية وَحج سنة 710 وَمَات باللجون رَاجعا عَفا الله عَنهُ وإيانا
[ad durar al Kaminah 3/158]
 
And can they quote trustworthiness of his father who narrated this lie?
 
Shaykh al Islam Saleh bin Umar Siraj ad din al Bulqini said
ولا عبرة بمن يرميه بما ليس فيه، أو ينسبه بمجرد الأهواء لقول غير وجيه، فلم يضره قول الحاسد، والباغي والطاعن والجاحد.
وما ضر نور الشمس إن كان ناظراً .
We do not agree with those who falsely blame him, or attribute something bad to him with their desire. Envious, aggressor, mocker and denier can not harm him. "There is no fault in the light of the Sun...when the eyes are always closed" [al Radd al Wafir Ibn Nasir al-Din ad-Damishqi page 249, Ghayat al Eemani fe Radd al Nabhani 2/161-164]
 
Yes ITS A LIE because Shaykh ul Islam Ibn Taymiyah himself said
ومن شبهه باستواء المخلوقات على المخلوق فهو مشبه
whoever did Tashbeeh to Istawa then he is Mushabiha
[Quoted by Mulla Ali Al qari in [Mirqaat al Mafateeh Kitab al Libaas,
vol 8 page 217 under the hadith 4340 dar ul kutub Ilmiya]
 

After that Mulla Ali al Qari said:

وتبين مرامه ، وظهر أن معتقده موافق لأهل الحق من السلف وجمهور الخلف ، فالطعن الشنيع والتقبيح الفظيع غير موجه عليه ولا متوجه إليه ، فإن كلامه بعينه مطابق لما قاله الإمام الأعظم ، والمجتهد الأقدم 
The meaning of Ibn Taymiyah is cleared from his quote and his aqeedah is clear and this is the aqeedah of people of truth among the salaf as-Saliheen and Majority of the Khalaf. So it is not right to slander him and we should not ponder upon those who do this. His saying is same as Imam al Adham and Greatest of the Mujtahid (Abu Hanifa) [Mirqaat al Mafateeh Kitab al Libaas, vol 8 page 217 under the hadith 4340 dar ul kutub Ilmiya]
 
So he himself said They are Mushabiha who do tashbeeh, then how can he say Allah's Istiwa is like mine naudhubillah?
 
Ibn Taymiyyah also sai in ‘at-Tadmuriyyah’ (pg. 20) 
"Whosoever says: His Knowledge is like my knowledge, His Power is like my power, or Love like my love, or Pleasure like my pleasure, or Hand like my hand, or ASCENDING LIKE MY ASCENDING , or His Nuzool (descent) is like my descent, then he has resembled and likened Allaah to the creation. Rather it is a must to affirm (Allaah’s Attributes) without resemblance, and to negate (what Allaah negates for Himself), without ta`teel (divesting Allaah of His Attributes)."[Above quote is taken from the post by Br Abu Hudhayfah
from his article Exposing Kabbani 2 : Imaam Tirmidhi's Reply to Kabbani]
 
He also said
وَمِنْ غُلَاةِ الْمُجَسِّمَةِ الْيَهُودِ،
The jews are the Ghulaat al Mujassima [al Jawab as-saheeh liman Badal Deen al Maseeh 4/456]
 
There are many other quotes in the book "Bara`at Shaykh al Islam ibn Tamiyah min Tuhmat al Tashbeeh wal Tajseem"
 
Ibn Hajar al Asqalani refuted this claim of innovators that
وهذه تصانيفه طافحة بالرد على من يقول بالتجسيم ،
His (Ibn Taymiyah`s) books are filled with refutations of those who promoted anthropomorphism (Tajseem) and his disavowal thereof. [Al-Radd al-Waafir by Imam Ibn Naasir al-Deen al-Dimashqi (p. 145, 146), al-Haafiz al-Sakhaawi – the student of Ibn Hajar – quoted the words of his Shaykh in his book al-Jawaahir wa’l-Durar (2/734-736).]
 
That is why when brother of Ibn Taymiyah debated qadhi Ibn Makhloof on the issue of NUZOOL and ARSH, He was dominent on him
 
Ibn Kathir said:
وفي هذا الشهر يوم الخميس السابع والعشرين منه طلب أخوا الشيخ تقي الدين شرف الدين وزين الدين من الحبس إلى مجلس نائب السلطان سلار، وحضر ابن مخلوف المالكي وطال بينهم كلام كثير فظهر شرف الدين بالحجة على القاضي المالكي بالنقل والدليل والمعرفة، وخطأه في مواضع ادّعى فيها دعاوى باطلة، وكان الكلام في مسألة العرش ومسألة الكلام، وفي مسألة النزول.
On thursday 27th of this Month both of the brothers of Ibn Taymiyyah i.e. Sharf ud din and Zain ud din were brought to the sitting held by deputy of Sultan Salaar. Ibn Makhloof al Maliki also came and they argued. Sharf ud din was dominent on Qadhi Maaliki in naql, knowledge and evidence. And made his many of the claims false. The debate was on the Mas`ala of Arsh, Kalaam and Nuzool [Al Bidaya wal Nihaya 14/59]
 
And that is why Mahmud Shukri al Alusi said 
فلا تجد في عصر من الأعصار من يذب عنه ويختار قوله ويسلك مسلكه إلا وهو الفائق على غيره ذكاء وفطنة وإنصافاً، ولا تجد من يخالفه ويعاديه إلا وهو من أهل الغلو والغباوة وحب الدنيا والمخالف للسنة والمعادي للحق، 
We can not find any era where someone who defended him [Ibn Taymiyyah], and accepted his statements and on his Maslak without realizing that He (the defender) is far better than others in sharpness, intelligence and Insaaf. Nor can we find anyone who went against Ibn Taymiyyah and harbored enimity for him without realising that [such a person] was from the extremists, those of stupidity, an opposer of the Sunnah, and an enemy of the truth. [Ghayat al Eemani fe Radd al Nabhani 2/179]

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